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What you're going to get with the Ultra Elevation is a little more clarity, and maybe that could be perceived as loudness, but I don't think that would solve your problem. I think what you would benefit from is going into the speaker menu of your AVR and adjusting the levels for your Elevation speakers, boosting the ones further from you. My Speaker Level Hack video explains that more. Also, I would be sure that you are getting full lossless audio, which would show up as Atmos/True HD, not Atmos/Dolby Digital II. DTS:X and DTS Master are lossless too. See my Dolby Atmos Hack video if you're unsure. Not having the lossless format can really make height speakers a little underwhelming, which has nothing to do with the speakers themselves. There are other potential issues at play, but I don't want to mislead you into thinking that the Ultra Elevations will be louder, with everything else being equal. They will sound better, but whether it's Prime or Ultra, I think adjusting the speaker level is the real solution for you.

Thank you for detailed response. My bed layer is a 7 channel PSA speakers set up which are highly efficient. The little prime elevation can’t quite keep up and was hoping the ultra elevations would be an improvement. I may have to just go with the PSA slant speaker. Thanks again

Yeah, I would definitely run LCR with the Ultras, and run a 6.2 setup, 1 rear channel to utilize the 3rd Prime. I would encourage you to stay with the ported, even if it means PB-2000 Pro's or PB -1000 Pro's, just make sure they match. You can set them up as sealed to see if you like it, but I'm betting you'd go back to the ported configuration. No, you don't need all of the max output, but the headroom is nice. PB-1000 Pro's would be on par with your older sub, and the PB-2000 Pro's will just be more explosive at the same volume. Weird to say it like this, but you haven't really heard your older PB12 NSD, because of the single configuration. So much is lost from the standing wave effect of a single sub. As far as needing, or not needing the extra output, you're going to end up setting the subs where you want them in terms of volume, whether it's ported or sealed. Ported are just more efficient, resulting in more output capacity. Everything that seems problematic for ported subwoofers pretty much goes away with matching duals, especially in sounding a LOT tighter than a single does. Being able to switch between ported and sealed is a great way to figure it out. You can't do that with purely sealed subs. And I don't mean to steer you away from the PB-3000 series, they are what I'm running now and I LOVE them. I just like to respect people's budget. Just keep them matching. You wouldn't be unhappy with the SB-3000, I just imagine you'd be happier with matching ported subs. Let me know what you think.

@@Subwoofer101 yeah i’ve been going back and forth for about a year on this, haha. Ill take a look at the pb2000s dimension wise but saving space is high on my list

I definitely had a break in production, about 2 years or so with minimal uploads. Glad to be uploading again, and you subscribed again, right? 🙃

@@Subwoofer101 oh for sure. am all svs now in my system. 7.4.2. in my little room.

@cars4color Nice! Glad to have you back! Have you seen the SVS App Hack video yet?

@@Subwoofer101 not sure but not finding it.

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And I always appreciate your comments!

I haven't had ANY issues with speakers having 6 and 8 ohm ratings. The amplifier is pretty much always delivering different levels of power to each channel, and nothing is a static load very long. No issues that I can hear. Keep in mind, I'm just driving these with a Denon X4500, and I've run them together, Prime and Ultra Elevations, no problem. Everything set to Small. I hadn't thought about it until you brought it up. A problem might occur with a budget AVR, or if maybe you are running everything full range with no external power. What you're talking about shouldn't be an issue. If I understood correctly though, if you're going with Ultra Evolution Towers, of any sort, I would strongly consider going with the Ultra Elevations. I've been favoring the Ultra Elevations, and keeping the Prime Elevations and Ultra Center off. I would prefer that every speaker have the same Evolution tweeter. I imagine you might feel the same, but it would definitely work. If it's a matter of them not fitting physically, I get that, but that Evolution tweeter is where it's at.

It's been that long, hasn't it? Crazy. I appreciate the positive thoughts! Thanks for stopping by!!

The Primes are definitely more budget friendly, and they are still excellent speakers. Best sellers for a reason.

No problem, I hope it was helpful!

Lots of good theory in there, but my point was not to suffer if the ideal height is uncomfortable. Like I said in the video, TV height rules vary depending on who you ask. Audio person? That would be your point of view, rightly so. Ask an interior designer, and the rules change. Another point though, speakers can do quite well off axis. Depends on the speaker of course, but I employ extreme toe in, and I'd have a hard time going back. Just tried it one day for giggles and I really liked it. Good points though, and I appreciate the feedback!

@@Subwoofer101 No worries at all.

The stack is definitely for the shock factor. I'll only run matching subwoofers, so I didn't have the wall of bass going. That said, I'm loving having the PB-3000's back! Definitely worth matching dual subwoofers. What sub do you have now?

@@Subwoofer101 Sony SACS 10 subwoofer, hoping to upgrade soon

A pair of these will be game changing. Some people say that about things that are slightly better. I'm talking truly impressive, and sounding phenomenal with everything. Top of the heap in this particular stack of subs, but of course the 2000 and 3000 would be upgrades, but these are the most easily attainable. Here's my affiliate link: sub101.link/Dual-PB-1000-Pro

@@Subwoofer101 thanks much, I've watched a lot of reviews on svs subs mostly on your channe, from the first gen to the pros l and I'm saving money to buy one and then duals

Always appreciate you stopping by! Thanks!

What is your TV situation? Going from what size to what desired size? Is there anything your 2600 is letting you down with?

@@Subwoofer101 I’ve got an 65” DX902 which is still brilliant but hankering after an OLED for movies. I do have an Epson TW9400 PJ too so guess the bigger TV can wait. The amp suits my needs but got upgrade fever lol

@matthewgould4464 That upgrade fever is a tough one, gets expensive fast. Would you be going up in size on the TV? Have you done the Spears and Munsel calibration? I have to ask, what is your subwoofer situation? Specifics like which model, how many, etc...

@@Subwoofer101 yes! Upgrade fever is a big issue! Not done calibration and wanted to go from 65” to something like 83” plus. I’m running KEF Q series 5.1.2 with a KEF Kube 10b

I should add seating distance is around 3.5m. My pj is onto a 110” tab tensioned screen so very lucky to have a choice atm. Wondering whether to sell PJ set up to fund a new bigger TV. Those Bravia 9’s look nice!

Definitely a good idea for an apartment!

Funny, I shot a video on that. I still need to publish it, but I didn't like it at first, but because I always need to be reclined because of my Post Concussion Syndrome, it's actually worked out well for me. My neck isn't bent down like I'm looking at my feet anymore. I agree that it's not typical, and not ideal for most, but I'm happy I was "forced" to put it up that high. Never would have gone that high otherwise. Now, if I had a set up where I could put it lower, I would still mount it relatively high, but that's just because my neck is less strained. And thank you, I'm glad to be posting videos again!

@@Subwoofer101 fully understand. Keep posting videos I do enjoy them and learn a lot

Next time I break out my measurement gear, I'll try to grab some measurements. Good idea!

Thank you. Curves with dynamic eq have so many but if you can do this curves, you will be the first 😊

Right on!

I appreciate it, I'm glad to be uploading! Thanks for stopping by!

I know I'd prefer ported, but I have a good way for you to figure out what you prefer. Set up your dual PB4K's as sealed, plug the ports, set the port configuration in the App as sealed, and disable all App PEQ's. Redo room correction, set up as you normally would. Live with it for at least a month, or less if you don't like it. If you love sealed, it's a good idea. If you prefer ported, PB-16 over SB-16.

I appreciate it!

Higher voltage allows for smaller diameter cables. The weight of the cable alone would be worth doubling the voltage, and if I were to do it again, I'd go 48 volt. As it is, I use 4/0 (0000 gauge) welding cable, which isn't cheap, and I could use more power if I used 2 runs of 4/0, or 350 MCM, expensive and heavy. Still, being able to comfortably run one AC and the home theater is pretty cool 😎. More solar panels and thicker cables, and I could run both AC units and the home theater. 2800-3200 watts, but when I do that the cable gets a little warm. At 2300 watts and under, cables don't get warm at all, so I keep that limit. Fun fact, the theater, even at full tilt, barely uses over 500 watts. Usually 260 to 350, and a third of that is the TV. Class D subwoofer amps are very efficient.

Right on, glad it helped!

Everyone has their own taste. The challenge is getting a mixed use room to be usable and not look offensive. These are some of the larger subs, the PB-1000 Pro's are the smallest I can comfortably recommend, but deep, proper bass requires some real estate. All depends on what you value. The movie experience with these subs was outstanding, and they bring realism few people can imagine, and all while being comfortable to listen to all day. To me, it's worth the trade off. Others go with tiny speakers, but they get tiny sounding results. The Micro 3000 is crazy good for it's size, probably more up your alley. Some people have the luxury of being able to hide their big subs, but that just isn't in the cards for rooms like this. If you want to really see chaos, see my most recent video. Granted, it's for show, and not to be used in practice, but I could imagine you either laughing or being too shocked to laugh 😂

@@Subwoofer101 I get it. I understand large subs & full range speakers. I have been doing audio stuff for 30+ years. I used to have a pair of full range floor speakers with 15” subs. My car has a $15k system with a 12.5” JL Audio W7 powered by a JL 1000.1 mono amp (along with dual 300 watt amps for front/rear stage, diamond audio hex series mids & tweeters, 32band EQ with 5.1 decoding etc…).

Mains typically around 90 hertz, even for Towers, and 120-150 for Satellite, Elevation, and any speaker with a small bass driver. Always set to Small.

@@Subwoofer101thank you, this is really helpful. I followed your advise to put the levels all the way down on avr for the subs and tune it on the subs. Still confused on what the crossover for this subs

@SirChiefUK I disable the crossover on the subwoofer itself, and let the AVR handle everything. I'm glad you enjoy your equipment more after using my tips! Love to hear it.